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March 08, 2007

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Ralph Zig Tyko

Woman like Valerie Plame?

Pamela

Bravo !!!! Brilliant

Deb

Ahhh, Jeremaya, I expected a feast, and you serve it up on the finest silver. Kudos, sir!

Praises to Ann Coulter and to Jeremaya!

Wild Bill

I stand with Ann of Arc! Great post.

GM Roper

I'm one of those folks that thinks that Ann of Arc can be, often is, and plans to be pretty vile in her comments. The word Faggot was meant the way it was said, despite the fact that it was indeed a joke. Too, we are way too think skinned about this. Having said all of the above, being on both sides of this particular fence, I can say.... GREAT post JMK, Ann remains funny, sharp, witty. I just wish she would tone down the rhetoric some. But, that's me.

Red Square

This is good. I'd also say "I was going to have a few comments on Ann Coulter, but it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you say anything positive about a conservative Republican."

About women who make history - Ayn Rand was one. Wasn't always well-behaved, but it's not how she made history. She made it by her ability to think rationally at the writing desk.

Besides, any mother by bringing up a child who makes history, thereby also makes history.

Jeremayakovka

Red,
Thanks much for visiting.
This time I'm going after conservatives, too.

Black Belt mama

There's a t-shirt with that statement on it that I have been eyeing up at my vacation spot every summer. This year, I'm buying it. You're so right.

Mary-Beth

Actually, Joan of Arc was captured by the English and burned at the stake. The King of France did nothing to save her. So, it twas not "her own people" as your witticism wrongly described.

Sorry to be an arse but I just can't fathom the parallel between the gifted war strategist St. Joan of Arc who led from the FRONT LINE of the battlefield (she killed none and only took one soldier captive) and the contrarian authoress & word warrioress Ann Coulter.

Anyway, I'll cease and desist.

I for an I,
MaryBeth

Jeremayakovka

Obviously, I applaud Coulter for being so discriminating and so intelligent about her use of "faggot". I'm proud to run with the concept.

So what statement, exactly, is on that t-shirt?

Here's an idea: t-shirts with her entire controversial sentence printed on them and worn to the next Gay Pride Parade in San Francisco. Hmm ... maybe.

Mary-Beth

NOW you are in your element!

Jeremayakovka

The one time I attended the Gay Pride Parade I marched in it.

The one time I went to a civil disobedience demonstration I got arrested.

The one time I wore a suicide bomber costume for Halloween I brought along a real Koran. (See the post of last Nov. 1.)

The one time I went to an "antiwar" demonstration (the last left or liberal event I ever attended, in '04) the sign I made was so provocative - so calculated, so daring - that it got over 7,000,000 hits on the sites that posted it. The conservative commenters were so riled up they wanted to hurt or even kill me.

I'm no stranger to putting my money where my mouth is, or to calculated provocation. I consider Ann Coulter a colleague, not an idol.

Wherever I aim my satire is my "element".

Ralph Zig Tyko

J, not an idol? A goddess? A maven?...What, prey tell, what?

Jeremayakovka

You loved the "antiwar" sign, Ralph. For months you begged me for a copy of it. So shut the fuck up already with your ankle-biting. Can you come up with anything original in your humor?

Obi's Sister

"...and publicly executed on a pile of faggots".
.
You made me spit my tea out!

Ralph Zig Tyko

Loved it? I helped YOU write it... back in the day.

Jeremayakovka

And what a team we were, Ralph! So why aren't you proud of me now? -:)

Jeremayakovka

Welcome to the show, Obi's Sis. One of the things that motivated this post was that the day after Coulter's appearance I saw Jon Lovitz (frmr SNL actor) live. He was pretty funny but when he got around to political humor it was kind of stale (and partisan -- he said, "I'm a Democrat"), old Bush = dumb jokes, etc.

Coulter's routine was fresher and more funny by far. On that basis alone, she deserves recognition, even from her ideological enemies.

Ralph Zig Tyko

I am proud of YOU and the way you play the devil's advocate for the ideals that I KNOW you and I hold near and dear. I'm not proud of the people's side you take for the sake of argument or sensationalism or hits on your fine site or all, or any combination of the above...over.

Jeremayakovka

Ralph, what do I have to do to convince you that this isn't "for the sake of argument" but out of conviction?

Ralph Zig Tyko

A line from Draft Dodger Blues by Phil Ochs, comes to mind. "...so I wish you well, sarge, give'em hell. Yah, kill me a thousand or more. If you ever find a war without blood and gore, I'll be the first to go..."

Jeremayakovka

Phil Ochs was a suicide. Who cares how many songs he wrote or sung protesting war, by committing suicide he showed that he protested LIFE even more than war. Suicide was his most strident and final note. But enough about a loser.

In the iconic "antiwar" protest song (anti-draft, really), "Alice's Restaurant", Arlo Guthrie says loud and clear "faggots". And when he said it he meant, well, faggots, gay men. As the live recording proves, it elicited a wave of laughter.

Arlo Guthrie: antiwar and antigay
Ann Coulter: prowar and progay

Ralph Zig Tyko

"Antiestablishment" was what Arlo's song. "ALICE" was about and he satirized the Army's not taking gays by using the term "faggot"...Now, spin Libby/Rowe/Cheney for us, meister...Still luv ya, bubala.

Jeremayakovka

Tolerating gays is not a liberal virtue, whereas accomodating a radical gay agenda is a liberal vice.

Through the 60s and 70s liberal entertainers freely displayed their distaste or disgust at gays: e.g., Norman Mailer and Al Franken in print, Jim Morrison in music.

Ralph Zig Tyko

"The times they are a chagining", yet again.

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